Yes, my lord, he answered. The verb is used in this sense with respect to Joshua's action toward the Gibeonites in Joshua 9:27, where cultic servitude is involved ("for the altar of the Lord"). Because of what had been going on, all the turmoil in this life and the kingdom, David was not spiritually prepared to face it. There was a covenant with those people that not only Joshua and the people honored, but also God Himself honored as well. At most it was about ten miles awaynot very far at all. David didnt get the throne until Saul and Jonathon were both dead. David was anointed king many years before he took the throne. He had Saul tryin You are getting later and later in David's life here. But it does not say so here in so many words. They quailed at what they heard that Joshua and Israel had done at Jericho and Ai. What have you been thinking about?". The Bible does not provide us the details of this killing. There is demotion. They did not inquire. They wanted blood by putting to death seven male descendants to die for the crimes of that house against the Gibeonites. They were a group of Amorites. He could have done several things differently, perhaps giving the Gibeonites their freedom as a way to repay them. They decided to fight with the Gibeonites and teach them a lesson. He then tells David that he can't marry Michal until he brings Saul 100 Philistine foreskins, thinking that David will definitely die in this attempt. He enslaved them all, and made them wood cutters and menial laborers at the Tabernacle. "There's something rotten in Denmark," as the saying goes. This traditional doctrine, as heard in a Catholic or Protestant church, would say that this sin of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden rests upon us still. Those who believe that they can outsmart, outflank or in any way outmaneuver our Enemy through cerebral strategies are doomed to the slavery and destruction heaped upon Saul and the Gibeonites. He committed colossal sins that whole nations would be held in contempt for. It was as if David earlier said, "Let's just get this out of the way. All I do know is that they do hold a solid place in world history and one of their offshoots or branches were the Gibeonites. Seven of Sauls descendants were hanged as a result. The Gibeonites merely asked for a mutual help pact that would guarantee not only mercy and aid from Israel, but protection from their common enemies. It says that they were Saul's sons. That is the background on the Gibeonites, and their relationship with Israel. He received good marks in Scripture. He got a little weird, throwing spears at David (and Jonathan too, once). And as the one righteous person in the whole nation, he could have cried out, God would have heard, and God would have saved. It seems that modern Westerners want their heroes flawed. In some ways, the story centers around covenants or treaties, one made between Israel and the Gibeonites in Joshua 9, another between Jonathan and David in 1 Sam. Finally, someone says to David, "Hey, did you know that Rizpah has been out on a rock for six months, sitting there day after day, protecting the corpses from birds and such, because the Gibeonites won't let her take them down and bury them? It is the time of the beginning of the barley harvest. It does not seem to me that during this time of the three years of famine David was emulating the attitude that he wrote about in Psalm 34. He gets kicked down the societal ladder for his sin, and it takes three or four generations for the family to recover. Of course, a part of it is being able to look at ourselves and see how dirty, nasty, and rotten we are, and saying, "There is no way that anybody could live in this world without sin; even God's beloved Son.". Then Gibeon was a mile or two more to the north-northwest. Now that we have established that there was a horrible massacre at some point in the past, remember there was sin, and there was a crime committed. So he did to them, and delivered them out of the hand of the children of Israel, so that they did not kill them. This angered God and was only amended years later after sacrificing seven of Sauls sons to the Gibeonites by hanging them before Jehovah at Sauls hometown, Gibeah. After that, Gibeonites were no longer mentioned though there are some writers who believed that they were among the Nethinim, the ones selected to serve the temple. How many wars were fought? He was humble and relied on God, and was granted many victories over Israels enemies. Things started to go downhill over time however, as Saul became presumptuous and arrogant; he ignored several direct commands of God, and the last straw came when he interfered in offering a sacrifice to God, in direct contravention of what hed been told to do. WebThe Gibeonites Hang Saul's Descendants 21 While David was king, there were three years in a row when the nation of Israel could not grow enough food. Then we have the explanations of which we just went over. Finally, after six or seven months, the rains came in their natural cycle. The Israelites had taken an oath concerning them, but in his zeal for Israel and Judah, Saul had sought to kill them.) Who was the father of Mephibosheth? Such a shame to destroy it all! So you shall not pollute the land where you are [this is very important]; for blood defiles the land, and no atonement can be made for the land, for the blood that is shed on it, except by the blood of him who shed it. It is not the sin of Adam and Eve; it is their own sin. It does not seem so. And David was told what Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, the concubine of Saul, had done. And the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites. King David was probably huffing and puffing, "I can't lift this thing! PHARAOH AND HAMAN - He was not thinking spiritually. I haven't been keeping up on things. There were big problems, and one of them was the consequences and effects of Saul and his bloodthirsty house. WebThe alliance with the Gibeonites lasted for centuries, until Saul - in his zeal (21, 2) - decided that the ancient covenant was no longer binding. And after that God heeded the prayer for the land. Deuteronomy 21:22-23 If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God. In verse 7 we see the only thing in the entire situation that was any good at all. the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Only in one sense, there was a fall of man, but certainly not in the traditional sense. Perhaps he thought, "Hmm. Something is wrong, David. II Samuel 21:1-14 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. HERALDS OF HOLOCAUST The midrash states that when Saul learned of this, he was angry with his daughter and demanded of her: Why did you deceive me and let my enemy escape? He could have done whatever he wanted. Saul's bones are still in Jabesh-Gilead. Her actions made David realize that he had violated another of God's commands by leaving the bodies of Saul, Jonathan, and the seven other sons unburied. And, it certainly does not record that David took this to God for His solution to it. This would be in the spring during or after the Days of Unleavened Bread. That is basically how it was. Web2 Samuel 21:2 indicates that King Saul pursued the Gibeonites and sought to kill them off "in his zeal for the children of Israel and Judah" (2 Samuel 21:5). Why were two of Saul's sons and five of Saul's grandsons killed for a crime they didn't commit? Spiritual Strongholds (Part Two): Faithful Trust. Justice seems to have been served. Notice God declares that the bloodguilt was not just on Saul, but also his house. King Saul (and his house?) He keeps his word even to his own disadvantage and does not change it [for his own benefit] (Psalm 15:1, 4; AMP). He did not perform any miracle, or any other thing to show that He was happy with the way that things turned out. In Rizpahs case, her husband, King Saul, broke his promise that the Israelites would spare the Gibeonites in battle; he ordered the Israelites to annihilate them. Certainly, after three years you would. He had a body of law that he could have referred back to and come up with a solution. The rest of the Canaanites resented the defection of the Hivites which so greatly weakened the forces for defense, and, headed by Adoni-zedek of Jerusalem, they assembled to wreak vengeance on Gibeon. The angel of the LORD encamps all around those who fear Him, and delivers them. Notice verse 2 says that Saul tried to strike them down in his zeal (also means jealously or envy) for the people of Israel and Judah. There is no biblical account of this escapade of Saul and his house against Gibeon. There is nothing to give you any indication that God was involved in anything except the faminetrying to teach David a lesson. Moreover, the Gibeonites who survived remembered, and they wanted blood when they were asked. So the king called the Gibeonites and spoke to them. Moreover you shall take no ransom for the life of a murderer who is guilty of death, but he shall surely be put to death [he cannot buy his way out]. WebA famine lasting three years hit Israel during the earlier half of David 's reign at Jerusalem. This may have only been a couple of months later. The two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul ( v.8 ) But, you would think that after two years you would get the idea that this was not breaking. Report To put it in a more modern time setting, a lot of people prefer Batman (the dark one), or Spiderman (the geek), to Superman for the very same reasons. God took the initiative in this matter, by afflicting the nation of Israel with a famine because the house of Saul had put the Gibeonites to death. Instead, they told a story that either ignored the truth completely or, at least, shaded the truth in such a way that it was full of guile and deceit. Yet, the Bible specifically says in Hebrews 4:15 that He was without sin. It has got to go. This was history now. He was distracted by the cares of this world, by the pulls of this, that, and the other thing, and so he gives in and compromises with the people of the land. How does this all connect with Ezekiel chapter 18? Saul and the heir to the throne, his son, Jonathan, were killed in a battle with the Philistines, and by popular acclamation, David became the King of Israel. It cut us off from God. Israel and Judah," who may have fretted at the inconvenience of having the Gibeonites among them. The Gibeonites have the dubious distinction of having duped Joshua and the elders of Israel. (Mark 6:20). What is meaning of 2 Cor. If a person sins, he receives God's judgment for those sins. Now the Gibeonites were not of the people of Israel but of the remnant of the Amorites. We are talking about the possibility of only two of the seven even remotely having any guilt in this matter whatsoever. King Saul later broke the treaty that Joshua had signed and attacked the Gibeonites. Later still, during the time of King David, a famine occurred in Israel. When David asked the Lord about the famine, God said, It is on account of Saul and his blood-stained house; it is because he put the Gibeonites to death (2 Samuel 21:1). Their special, if dishonest, dealings with the leaders of Israel gained them a notoriety that most of the tribes and clans of the ancient Mid-East never attained. He had to plead to God for clearing and forgiveness, for cleaning up, because he knew it was not in himself to do that. The "Man of Steel" is just too perfect, too smart, and too invincible. These curses are things like diseases that might affect genetics, and they came as the result of sin. What would be some verses from the Bible to save a marriage? Why were genealogies so important to Israel? One is God's judgment upon the actual person for the actual sin; the other is God's punishment that He has automatically put into the law that allows the effects to last for a few generations. Joshua 9:22-24 Then Joshua called for them, and he spoke to them, saying, "Why have you deceived us, saying, 'We are very far from you,' when you dwell near us? However, there was a difference between Israel's version and the Gentiles' principle of vengeance or retribution. The time had passed. King Saul would conscript them into the army, and off they would go in a bloodthirsty rage against somebody else. From the time of Joshua, throughout the long period of the Judges, the very presence of these deceitful people had not only been a thorn in the side of the Israelis; their position in the land was a dividing wedge that separated southern Judah from the rest of the Kingdom. I am putting this all together from history. They were probably in middle age, 45-60. Things were going wrong. He had to sit there and judge people with all the little things they constantly brought up to him that seemed to need his decision on. David represents usJoe Church Membertrue Christians in a time of spiritual famine, much like what Amos describes in Amos 8:11, with the famine of the word. Except for verse 21, there is very little mention of God in the whole episode. Perhaps if I go and kill all the Gibeonites like Joshua was supposed to do, maybe God will let me back into the chair.". They are two separate things. It certainly happened because it says there in verses 1 and 2 that Saul killed a lot of Gibeonites at some point in his reign. Summary:2 Samuel Chapter 212 Samuel 21 Avenging the Gibeonites A. David avenges the Gibeonites. Vote Up Therefore, one of the first things that Joshua and the Israelites do is they allow a big problem to linger in their midst. "Now therefore, you are cursed, and none of you shall be freed from being slaveswoodcutters and water carriers for the house of my God." WebA three years' famine in the days of David was attributed to God's anger at the unexpiated crime of Saul in slaying the Gibeonites. When this righteous ruler turned to God, the Lord showed him that arrogant error of his predecessor. David did not come to this with any regal neutrality in the least. They were appeasing their own god to send rain. Therefore, they arrive in the camp of Israel, and say, "Where's your leader? If you read Psalm 51 it is very clear that he understood his own makeup. So David asked the Lord for help, and the Lord answered, Saul and his family are guilty of murder, because he had the Gibeonites killed. The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice. Think about it. Instead of warfare and bloodshed, their weapons were guile and deceit. How long was the average lifespan at the time? When the Gibeonites heard that the other nations were going to attack them, they sent a message to Joshua and the people, Help! He apparently killed What did David do to end the famine caused by Saul breaking a treaty with the Gibeonites? What is the meaning of the parable of the rich man and his manager? 1. BATTLE AGAINST ENVY AND JEALOUSY Evidently, this is what Saul and most of his family was like, except Jonathan. Good question. Is that what happened?" If we would go through Luke 21:7-12, we would see that Jesus gave His disciples indications of what would happen if the time of the end began. Notice that I Kings begins not many chapters after this. THE STORY OF THE GIBEONITES - I don't know a great deal about this particular segment of those biblical people called the Hittites. God's correction may come a As Christians living amidst spiritual famine, we dare not compromise with the culture around us. 'Whoever kills a person, the murderer shall be put to death on the testimony of witnesses [another layer that comes in]; but one witness is not sufficient testimony against a person for the death penalty. Deceit and delusion are powerful spiritual weapons of destruction but they pale in potency compared to the creative and edifying Word of God come alive by faith in believers' hearts! They made their dust-covered clothes to look worn and ragged as if they had been on the road for many days, even months. Only after three days did they discover that their "far-distant" allies were really next-door neighbors! Their representatives were not up front with the Israeli leaders. And you shall take no ransom for him who has fled to his city of refuge, that he may return to dwell in the land before the death of the priest [no way of getting out of that either; he has to serve his whole time]. A brief, but important, reference to the Gibeonites can also be found in 2 Samuel 21:1-14. Therefore David said to the Gibeonites, "What shall I do for you? Share And it very seriously affected his judgment in this matter. This shows that this portion of the story in II Samuel 21, hanging the bodies for six months or so, was an additional curse upon the land. However, that is not the case. You're out of here!". Much later, King Saul ignored this covenant of peace and killed some Gibeonites. Why did Herod like to listen to John the Baptist, who criticized Herods lifestyle? Other Translations for 2 Samuel 21:1 Discussion for 2 Samuel 21 View All So they fell, all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of barley harvest. Leviticus 26:18-20 And after all this, if you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. 2. There is no want to those who fear Him. Lets read about David avenging the Gibeonites in 2 Samuel 21:1-14: 1 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year. What Saul did was commit another presumptuous sin. And David was told what Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, the concubine of Saul, had done. Scripture has said this explicitly. He was not really on the ball like he should have been. . As we get to about verse 32 in Hebrews 11, Paul says that he does not have time to get to all the other heroes of faith that the Bible gives us. Later, during a wasting famine, David, attempting a political rather than a righteous solution, yielded to the Gibeonites' request that descendants of Saul be hanged to avenge the slaughter. A lot can happen in two years. However, we have a great deal of trouble identifying with or understanding pure, innocent and perfect Galahad. Deceit and delusion are powerful spiritual weapons of destruction but they pale in potency compared to the creative and edifying Word of God come alive by faith in believers' hearts! Obviously, having seen what happened to Jericho and Ai, they knew God and Israel were serious. David was Born Mar 2, 2022 A three-year famine occurs as a result of Sauls attack on the Gibeonites Mar 2, 2022. Why didnt Abraham bargain with God when it came to Isaac being offered as a burnt offering like he did when it came to Sodom and Gomorrah? But Abishai the son of Zeruiah came to his aid, and struck the Philistine and killed him. He says to watchbe aware, be awake, be vigilant; know what your spiritual state is. We do not know how long before II Samuel 21 this incident happened. WebThe biblical writer confirms this charge by stating that Saul tried to annihilate [ nkah, to inflict a dead blow] them (2 Sam. WebVetus Testamentum 24:1 (January 1974):1-7.] King David was perhaps the only converted person in the entire nationmaybe besides the high priest of the time, but we do not know. The cities of refuge were designed (among other things) to stop and prevent these feuds from happening. We can't withstand them. He just let them walk all over him. The Israelites had promised not to One other thing: Samuel said that God is not going to go back on His word. Sheba's rebellion is in the previous chapter, II Samuel 20. Web2 Samuel 21:1 Context. Also, they were hanged on the hill before the Lord. David did all this, it seems, off the top of his head. The second is at the end of verse 2, that "Saul had sought to kill them in his zeal for Israel and Judah." There is a very important difference. Deep and long lasting trouble for both parties - both the Israelites and the Gibeonites - was the fruit of this clever, but calamitous deception. In reading the Psalms, on the other hand, we get an idea of just how grateful he was for God's forgiveness and grace, because I believe he was aware of just what a rotten individual he really was. But Joshua had the final decision. Davids choice of victims reflects at least the covenant between him and Jonathan, if not also the one between him There was no negotiation; there was no calling them on anything. There is no indication in II Samuel 21 that David got advice from any of his ministers about how to deal with this situation. That is how we overcome the dearth of the truth and the dearth of righteousness in our day. We see in this little vignette that innocent people die; grief lingers forever; idolatry is committed; and the curse of famine continues; another harvest fails; and the land remains defiled; everything stinks of death. Now the Gibeonites were not of the children of Israel, but of the remnant of the Amorites; the children of Israel had sworn protection to them, but Saul had sought to kill them in his zeal for the children of Israel and Judah. We have all these things coming at the end time, which is very short. God is warning here that sin has consequences. He is able to judge justly. Why are they where they were? During Davids reign, the people of Gibeon demanded that all of Sauls children be put to death so as to atone for a severe famine. For all his misguided efforts and pains, Saul reaped the fruits of his delusion. Vote Up Report, August 29 2022 And if He sinned, then He could not be our Savior. They had a more bloody and violent systemwhich often led to blood feuds that may not ever end until a whole family or generation was gone. This is like offering them reparations for what Saul had done, and they replied that it was not good enough. That is not what it says here. They made their dust-covered clothes to look worn and ragged as if they had been on the road for many days, even months. 0 responses It was common knowledge. This could indicate that the sons of Saul were actively implicated in this attempted genocide, although we cannot tell for sure as the details of this awful event are not recorded. ", "She's been doing that for six months? Why is it just now that you are waking up to this? II Samuel 21:1-14 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the L ORD. Verse 1 did say that it was "Saul and his bloodthirsty house" who had massacred the Gibeonites. "Who shall ascend into the hill of the Lord? King David was compelled to hand over his own people to the power of Israel's ongoing enemies. He simply folded, giving the Gibeonites everything they wanted. VERSE 2. He just simply rolled over. These conflicting views on Saul would continue long past the biblical era and into modern times. He came at this as though he were guilty with Saul; that all Israelites were guilty with Saul and his house. How many rebellions were there? So they answered Joshua and said, "Because your servants were clearly told that the LORD your God commanded His servant Moses to give you all the land, and to destroy all the inhabitants of the land from before you.". Israel plagued by allowing the deception So, give or take, 40 to 50 years have passed. I will do it." Ezekiel 18:19-20 indicates that guilt for sin is not transferable, but the consequences can often touch several generations. Report. Spiritual virtues and qualities are largely unseen yet are more real and potent in lasting effects than the most formidable nuclear pile. WebWe will attack Gibeon, because they have made peace with Joshua and the Israelites." The latter believed that Saul's desire was to destroy them utterly. They did what is recalled in verses 3 through 6 above. This is a bit unusual. Jamieson, Fausset and Brown comments: It was a heathen practice to gibbet men with a view of appeasing the anger of the gods in seasons of famine, and the Gibeonites, who were a remnant of the Amorites, though brought to the knowledge of the true God, were not, it seems, free from this superstition. Saul, Israel's first king thought he knew better than God. We are getting toward the end of King David's life. . Verse 5 does not say that the guilt of a person extends to his great-great grandchildren. This meant the latter harvest has passed, and maybe another month or so went by. You see, famine on the scale like thisthree yearsis a sign from God that things were not copacetic in the land. You do not know. And the king said, "I will give them." He did not do a thing that a king or judge should do. When did Saul kill these Gibeonites? Based on this principle, I think we can be confident that justice was carried out in this very nasty incident, even though we are not told all the details of what happened. Then, they went after Jericho, and it fell. WebTheir apostasy began with the Hivites from Gibeon, and in time, the leaven slowly spread. Can we assume that God was in any way propitiated at the conclusion of this story? And the LORD answered, It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house, Probably what happened was that they put them on the top of the hill at Gibeah, so that God in the Tabernacle could "see" the execution being done. So, it is very likely that these men were murdered both as retribution and as sacrifices to some pagan god to spite the God of the Bible, and therefore, Israel. This is very, very important for this vignette in King David's life. We want them to reflect what a real person would do in extreme or extraordinary circumstances. But, very few people can relate to sinless perfection. That generation had begun to pass. It must have been a satisfactory solution from Gods point of view, because he sent the rain on the land after the measures had been taken. 3. They were the five sons of Merab, Saul's daughter. 5. He shall receive the blessing from the Lord, and righteousness from the God of his salvation" Psalm 24:4-5. He keeps his word even to his own disadvantage and does not change it [for his own benefit] (Psalm 15:1, 4; AMP). He was thinking about a lot of other things. Please ensure your answer MEETS all our guidelines. Then they asked for a king, and God gave them Saul son of Kish, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, for forty years. & "Take heed that you be not deceived." No one killed king David. He died of old age, at the age of three score and ten (70 years). His son Solomon succeeded him. You might be thinking of They had remembered it for 40 or 50 years. He was the king. II Samuel 21:1-2 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. He wanted to go do something else. The Gibeonites decided on a different strategy. By this time, having fought all his life since he was a teenagerup against Goliath when he was eighteen or soand here he was approaching 70 years old, and he was tired. WebThe Gibeonite Deception - Now when all the kings west of the Jordan heard about these thingsthe kings in the hill country, in the western foothills, and along the entire coast of the Mediterranean Sea as far as Lebanon (the kings of the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites) they came together to wage war against Joshua and The words "thirty" and "forty" are not in the original Hebrew. In addition, after this was the rebellion of Sheba, in which there were all kinds of disruptions until Sheba was killed. They were going to come in there and just exterminate. We are starting to get some of the atmosphere around this event now. and for his bloody house. Completely ignoring God's explicit command to spare the Gibeonites, Saul decreed it was time to remove them completely by exterminating them. When asked about the time of the end; when questioned about the signs that would precede His Second Coming, our blessed Lord instinctively cautioned: "Take heed that no man deceive you." WebNow, when they heard that the Gibeonites had made a special treaty with the Israelites they got very angry. Oh, taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the man who trusts in Him! We are not finished with that yet, because, who were the Gibeonites? But, the big thing was that he did not consult God about what he should do about it. And we are supposed to be ready. THE BATTLES OF THE LORD Also, the Lord pronounced, It is a result of the massacre by Saul and welcome classification because Saul indeed destroyed the Gibeonites in the Bible. ( v.1 ) So God sent a famine to punish a kingdom for something that a former king supposedly did. And how do I know this? Perhaps those first two, Armoni, and Mephibosheth were old enough to have participated in the event. (4:10). Berean Literal Bible Acts 13:21. One of the things He specifically mentions is famine, which happens to be the third sealphysical famine, but we remember from Amos that there is a spiritual famine as well. Whatever the case, it is very plain to me that he did not pay enough attention to this matter of the famine and drought, and the Gibeonites. God punished the whole nation for breaking the covenant. The Israelites had been dealing with the Gibeonites, who were Hivitesand as it says here, they were a part of the Amorite peoplesince the first days in the land under Joshua. They are going to cause problems. But the consequences of their sinswhat it means to us; what happened because of their sinstill affects us today. Then David went and took the bones of Saul, and the bones of Jonathan his son, from the men of Jabesh Gilead who had stolen them from the street of Beth Shan, where the Philistines had hung them up, after the Philistines had struck down Saul in Gilboa. 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