Mainly because the courts have to give every chance possible and all the services necessary to the bio family to try to preserve the relationship. I just tried to find a video or article about Hugi and I only get the one or two that I already have. is this a reason??? I remember when it was in the news. Mostly, because it was poorly investigated and they focused on Diane solely the minute they met her. I am glad that some articles remain. Not meaning to sound disrespectful, but you seem to be doing what you accuse Ann Rule of doing. And other inmates were released with worst backgrounds. I do not have to put any statement advising people that I am about to present the neglected aspects of the trial. For all my life I have thought I was not that smart, but now I can tell myself, hey cheer up could be worse. It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession: inflammatory and so on. But you would know that if you had read the blog or info about the case. Instead, there is blood splatter on the ceiling of the car. You are telling me to take my smugness elsewhere because it is tiresome. Were they involved in the plot too?? 3. At least two of those school mates reported Christies tortured confession to their mother Brewer changed his mind. .well yay for youtubelol..is when I first heard her in old interviews. In hindsight Im sure the grandparents wish they had pursued visitation more aggressively. Moreover, it was not a suicide case, but of a woman who supposedly shot herself in the arm and her 3 children several times. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial: speculation Diane may very well be guilty, but YIKES this investigation and trial seemed so butchered and tilted in the prosecutions favour. But the high profile nature of the case might hinder the process. The gun is Def a big issue, the style of gun, whether it belonged to him or her, she Def had access to itthe child drew a picture of it, having large similarity to that gunbut it did always baffle me how she could find such a great hide for it in such a short period of time. Belli filed a motion for a 2-week extension to familiarize himself with the case because he had to be in Italy, and declared Diane innocent in a press conference, but Foote denied the motion and declared you have an attorney, use him.. People can have a certain vibe and act out of the norms, but it does not make them necessarily guilty. This case had many similarities to the Alice Crimminsstory. Nearly every point you make here was addressed and disproved or not even allowed into evidence. They were the small sacrifices. They both would fall in love and decide they want to marry each other. Some would say that Diane Downs was condemned because of her lies and inconsistencies, but I think that it was mostly because of her disturbing demeanor and brash personality. Washing soda is your best bet: It includes, among its ingredients, the exceedingly corrosive carbolic acid. Hi Nanette, it is not a matter of being gullible. HUGE conflict of interest. I think that she has done enough time and should be released. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives. But if you compare the time she was seen by the witness to the timing of her arrival at the hospital, it seems to indicate she went pretty fast, butnone of it was explained ordemonstrated properly. So she warns her to stay away. Bannon, a former adviser . It was never a slam dunk. By the way, Dianes parents mourn the loss of their grandchildren to this day. There was no blood on the front seats so Cheryl was laying down and Christie was asleep laying down and never witnessed anything. I didn't get tipsy, I'm pretty good at handling alcohol. Yep, Downs who was found guilty in 1984, escaped successfully from the Oregon Womens Correctional Center in 1987 and was transferred to Jersey afterwards. Bear in mind, that arm consisted of two SHARP bones, cutting at nerves and muscle (1 of bone had been blown out of the arm when the bullet shattered it, leaving three jagged holes in the flesh, out of which bulged torn muscle, and two wedge shaped bones facing each other like dueling swords). Two wrongs do not make a right but illustrates that she should have never been coerced before, during or after the trial. The Case of Liysa Northon Who Said True Crime Does not Pay? I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular: this blog is clearly one sided. I am interested in the truth. After parting ways, the couple would soon meet again in Arizona which would end up in them reigniting and reconnecting their fling. Detective Antoine also performed a trace metal test on Diane I S hands to detect the presence of trace metals left after someone has touched or held something metallic like a gun (Appendix 65). These are no facts its partial truths and conjecture. If the police department had done their job properly, I would not have written this blog, no matter the outcome. After asking her to have an affair, he kept vacillating between his wife and her. Her trial was speculative and based on so many fallacies. Additionally, homicide or assault victims shot by someone else can test positive for GSR. Susan, I dont know if there ever was a lawsuit against Ann Rule from the Fredericksons family. Downs is a worthless as the day is long.. Maybe you should read the blog before commenting. The fact that the judge who presided over the child welfare case and the criminal case was the same individual is absolutely a conflict of interest. Plus, Diane could have never cleaned her clothes and her hair to remove blood and gun powder. The most recent tape of her daughter is not admissible because it is never allowed to bring out tapes that were obtained this way. So it was a relentless game totry to reel her in. I asked her brother James an answer to your question. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI: Downs lawyer at the time should have objected as the term was non existent. Why? They now have social media arenas reminiscent of the Romans cheering at the sight of a thumb down meaning there will be a bloodshed. I have simply bothered researching the evidence and in some instances, the lack of it. And Im really not on the fence the little girl was coachedI believe the ex husband , his freinds, and her lovers were invalid either way. Someone found guilty of a crime should have a sentence that can be served and not one that is contingent on the remorse shown. My question is: why is she still locked up? The board said that her mental or emotional disorder makes her a danger to society. Except for Paul Cortez. It appears that you have to be a perfect mother with no lovers and not afflicted with any mental illness to be considered innocent until proven guilty in America. The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). Maybe because of her notoriety and the victims were children. One of the flaws was the relationship between the DA and the children. They should have left her alone. The courts were divided in the 80s, family court, traffic court, criminal court, juvenile court I dont believe they ran out of judges to preside over them all. Either way he could NOT have seen who shot him unless he has eyes in the back of his head. They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business. She talked to Diane for 15 minutes, there was thebizarre and partialOprah interview that was basically a lets bash Diane event and she wrote to Diane in jail to ask her what she thought of Hugi adopting her children. A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History. A slightly humorous observation is that you said, and others have, that James Haynes physically resembled the sketch. She states, I did not shoot my children and I cant say I did. You were not there and one thing I have learned about high profile cases, is that you cannot always believe what the media, biased detectives and Ann Rule have to say. Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. For all you readers of this blogger, I lived through the Diane Downs case. She was the first to admit that at times, she was somewhat neglectful, impatient, yelled too much, and could have been a better mother, but she seemed to have turned the corner and was doing her best with the means at her disposal. This is a conflict of interest. more on crime HEARTBREAKING FIND The Office star's sister-in-law found dead 11 days after going missing 'DISGUSTING' The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). They did a trace metal test to see if Diane had held a gun. I think that the time she has served and her good behavior made her eligible for parole. The lack of balance and objectivity. why didn't steve downs get custody. The reason Im harsh is because Ive detected that youve paid for this site and therefore cant be wrong. I would like to raise the numerous issues with this blog. I saw that same face in Diane Downs. She may be highly vulnerable to losing control of her emotions in emotionally charged situations, creating faulty judgment and ineffective and inappropriate behavior. And being the mother of three only served to propel Diane in a more manic state. She always seems to have not a very close contact with reality. It was a harrowing, shameful miscarriage of justice. They finally charged her and she did 10 years for the death of her children. Yes, I usually answer the emails I get about the blogs. The following article hopes to help you make more suitable choices and get more useful information Forensics or lack thereof and blood splatter? Needless to say, you seem to have a problem with the American justice systemnot each individual case. Wasnt Mr. F supposed to be a child molester? The unreliability of childrens testimony has been documented by cognitive psychologists such as Elizabeth Loftus of the University of Cornell and others. Ann Rule has always been sensationalist, and her books were almost unreadable at the end of her publishing days. Let me tell you, it wasnt just the investigators and the prosecution that didnt believe herwe, Oregonians, (who ACTUALLY live here and watched what was happening) believe she is guilty. They went after Diane at trial for tapping her foot when they played Hungry like the wolf. The fruit of this abduction was the May 23, 1983, videotape re-enactment staged by Detective Tracy in which Diane is clearly hysterical. The DA that put away their mom is not an appropriate placement choice. Diane was in the hospital for a bone graft from June 2nd until June 6th, 1983. but later you claim Diane was inside the car and shot the kids in the car and that that BECAUSE she was inside the car she should have had blood splatter on herso WHICH IS IT, I dont know which it is Libby. I followed the trial. Ultimately, the blogger is entitled to their opinion as is everyone else. Yes, like many Americans, I think that the US system is barbaric. Why does the blogger not clarify this? Because she had driven that area for years for her work. Below this letter see links to Salem-News.com articles about the questionable conviction of Diane Downs. I dont know that it could get worse than writing an asinine comment on a restorative justice website that states that only respectful and constructive comments will be posted. Its as if they cant control it. So move on. Mr. Jagger read the report and said, you were right. Sonny arrives at his restaurant and gives Dex, who is there, the night off. What was the justification? Thanks for the link. danny also said a cartoon character shot themalso he was SHOT IN THE BACK how could he see the shooter????????? Where to begin? Of course buying drugs with three kids in the middle of the night from a guy like that is not the mindful thing to do, but would be more consistent as an explanation for her actions. I guess Diane forgot to have that part engraved on the Unicorn. The hell with doubts, ballistics and pesky details about the shooting, we cannot disagree becausethere is hunting and fishing to do and friendships to uphold. In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. I actually do not know what really happened. Maybe someone needs to read Part two in Dr. Billings in-depth review of the Diane Downs Murder Case in Oregon. If I feel that due process was violated, I will go there anyway. Regardless of the facts you point out, there is no doubt in my mind that Diane Downs is guilty. Farrah had trouble with the law because of a passionate love affair with a movie director. The parole board in Oregon was asking to provide reasonable cause to show she was not a danger to society and it had to be supported by a psychiatrists report or a Wardens letter and Downs provided both. Great blog post, thank you. You paint a picture that is actually inaccurate and misleading. This is not the reason she is still locked up. Then ask yourself if thats how you want your son to grow up. It is not a hatefest and I do not wish death or life without parole on anyone. But without proof, Diane couldnt implicate Steve Downs any more than she could shoot him as he violated a restraining order threatening to beat her AGAIN. Everything I outlined should be public knowledge. So the prosecutor adopted the kids? As soon as Diane was found guilty, Hugi demanded that Diane be evaluated by a psychiatrist before sentencing so they could declare her a dangerous offender and give her a stiffer sentence. Some cases are so one sided that you feel like exposing or at least, discussing the other side. She had no blood spatter or gun powder residue on her hands,clothing or hair. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation. But you are right, some members of the jury and public had a reasonable doubt. The forensic evidence alone is absolutely weak. U seem very one sided on every case Ann Rule has ever written just as u claim she did to u. N her parents didnt want custody of the children just like the father. Doesnt change the fact that it was still a conflict of interest. Also, aside from her original mental state, which may or may not excuse her aloofness (doesnt prove shes a killer by the way! But you dont mention that she again has changed her story.. No. There is also a critical shortage of Foster Carers internationally, so that the Hugis offered to take the children in could be viewed as altruistic. I understand that the authorities were afraid to leave the two remaining children under her care if they thought she was guilty, but they could have been released to the grandparents or other blood relatives with supervised visits from their mom considering that she was not charged with any crime. Instead of blaming societal problems and working at finding solutions, prison always seem to be their option. She'd also shot herself in the forearm. This test confirmed Diane had not held a gun. Page 40 of Case History. The scene described in Small Sacrifices with little Christie hooked up to a machine and her pulse accelerates because she is terrified ofher mother is doubtful and subject to interpretation. The Six Degrees of Separation of Nancy Grace, Kelli Stapleton- A Mother's Wuthering Woes, http://www.glamour.com/story/i-found-out-my-mother-was-a-killer-the-rebecca-babcock-story, http://www.manipulatedtrial.de/oregon_s_small_sacrifices_1603.pdf, http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july152013/midnight-med-tb-2.php, http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n364/a03.html, http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080910_Prison-happy_U_S__must_reconsider_use_of_mercy.html, http://sputniknews.com/us/20150620/1023613662.html#ixzz3djEXlSAC, http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_prison_state_of_america_20141228, https://www.google.com/search?q=diane+downs+with+christie+cheryl+and+danny&sxsrf=ACYBGNQDEM3XNQjZXlqNQpYLhZCn7ic5iw:1576689995166&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNuNT427_mAhUcJTQIHbveBMIQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1024&bih=462#imgrc=gQkU10UxNhHn_M, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives, Say Her Name But Spell It Right The Tale of Breonna Taylor, And Justice For All The Watts Family Murders, Babe in the Woods & Big Country The Murder of Nicole Vanderheyden, Colonel Russell Williams Where Have You Been? I think that Van Houten was recommended for parole by a system that assessed that after 40 years, she was not a threat to society and a reformed woman. I was shocked any asked why she thought that. LMFAO!!!! It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession. Further: Wonder about Justice in Nation with world wide highest prisoner rate. Likewise, Charlene had no intention of letting Knick divorce her (Appendix 81, page 1518, line 15). Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. Ann Rule did not leave a great legacy as far as honest reporting goes, and she is not the only one to have commercialized a criminal case for personal gain. I would also like to express my disbelief that the same judge presided over both the child welfare case and the criminal one. The case is old and the blog dated, but it is never too late to respond. He had an attorney, Fred G. Campbell Jr., send us a letter denying our request and telling us: You are legally, as well as factually, a stranger to them. Who does he think he is? Jump through the States hoops, or find a noose around your neck. One of the more bizarre scenes in this farce of an investigation was about to unfold. This does not make her innocent. I was also stunned that she took the reports of all of Dianes ( mostly married) ex lovers as absolute truth and never once questioned that they might have been lying and retrospectively minimising their feelings for Diane to protect themselves. It was omnipresent in the courtroom as well as the Duran Duran song, The judge instructed them to continue on to force a verdict. A new trial would be out of the question, so to me, parole would be the solution. When your goal is to call me dude, insult my name and trash my blog, you can go on other sites who will love to spar with you while swallowing the old narrative of high profile cases. It should have raised a red flag concerning her mental stability or the possibility that more people were involved. To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. We already know that. You do not debate the content of the blog which you probably did not read anyway. Q. But Ann Rules utterly biased account is an insult to investigative journalism and there seems to be very reasonable doubt here. Sometimes it takes until late in life for connections to be made again. Years later, seven witnesses signed affidavits telling of a man named Jim Haynes continuing confessionthat he wasthe shooter, and his appearance boresimilarities to the sketch. Whatever mental illness she has, has gotten worse with each hearing. If the adult can show capacity and willingness to provide care, love and nurturing to the children, then there is no legal reason to prevent them from becoming Foster Carers. The tape of Christie and her adoption by the prosecutor are facts. Meaning it was unlikely she was the shooter. Click here to read the complaint. Whether or not Steve Downs was in some way behind the shooting, the man who fired the weapon was a stranger to Diane. It isnt there all the time. It deserved as much attention as a Unicorn, a song or all the other hearsay floating around because at least, they came from real people signing official documents. I care about the experts reports written about Diane because they know her situation and mental state. I read the letter they sent to the Downs when they were fighting to see their grandchildren. The question is of course, how can we determine guilt or innocence without a fair trial? As usual, Diane had resorted to the soothing comfort of a pregnancy to pretend life would get better; she would create a nest around her, come hell or high water. Her family members were quite capable of taking care of the children. Did u learn nothing?? 6. So they did everything in their power to slant the media and the public in their favor. Like I said, the 2 years make it a bit more of a gray area. Or be mentally ill. If there is a fair trial and sentencing, I usually dont write about a case, but high profile cases tend to need more scrutiny because emotions run high. A trial should be based on facts and solid direct or circumstantial evidence. So I did not post your comment about his answer to your inquiry. You are not the only one who thinks she is guilty and I know that getting their man at all cost is a popular mantra, but I disagree. I remember when Diane shot her kids and there are some facts Id like to correct from your blog. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom. There is absolutely no evidence that Hungry like the Wolf was playing when Christie got shot but it is another detail they added to bring a dramatic element to this trial. Probably a 911 button. A fair trial is a right in this country, not a judicial suggestion. It does seem time has done worse to her. This was ridiculed countless times in the media, but frankly, it can be a very honorable endeavor, depending onhow you want to look at it. He is in his 70s now and his photo is not on his linkedin or anywhere I could find. Weve become friends. Diane clearly would have had to have had her rights terminated by the court. The next day, on June 16, 1983, CSD terminated Dianes visitations with her children altogether. Page 10 of Case History. Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. The detective said to leave that up to the police. The jurors had doubts. Q. This is what I try to do when I research a case that was deemed to be a slam dunk. The fact that they used her daughter and lied about the gun they could never find makes it a wrongful conviction. She wrote to the governor several times after being dismissed coldly by Hugi and the system. Much worse. So not addressing the content of the blog and rambling about everything else while asking for a disclaimer is nailing it? Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. Considering the circumstances, it is difficult not to be a bit cynical about this grand gesture. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled , Ann Rule promotes her books as true crime stories so to this day, viewers believe that the book and the movie titled, This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke , They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the , When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I say. I also found it curious that when Diane was first eligible for parole she was allowed to apply every 2 years thereafter until she either gets paroled or dies in prison. Ginsburg didn't think women should get to do what men did because she believed they would do the job better; she wanted equality for its own liberating sake. (witness statement the gentleman who was behind her for at least 10 minutes). I tried to contact you by email but my email wouldnt acknowledge you email address. I am quite bothered by what happened in that courtroom and in the media. ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differently we been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence proven. Is it the one you tried to use? Tracy, I never said she was in the car. Hey Jace, I was not going to post your insulting comments but I decided to let the last sentence fly so that I could answer it. 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